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Published on March 5, 2006 By AndyBaker In Religion
We are taught from an early age that if we want to make it in life, we have to work hard. That life involves pain and struggle, that we have to earn love and acceptance; and that, if we want to come out on top, we have to fight our way there.

This is a false teaching of the world, in my view. Life doesn’t have to be a struggle. There’s a difference between struggle and effort. Struggle is effort laced with negative emotion or desperation. It’s a battle that we fight only with ourself.

Struggle is a frame of mind. And so is liberation. With the right frame of mind we can become liberated. We can experience inner peace. The world will continue to run around like a headless chicken. But that doesn’t matter. We can trust that everything is how it should be; we can relax, surrender; and accept ‘what is so’.

This is a Buddhist teaching. It is a Christian teaching (Mt 6.34; Psalm 131; Romans 8.31-39). It is a secular teaching, ("freedom", "free-thinking" etc). Whatever our point of view, wherever we are on the path, it is a teaching of the human heart. The strongest demand of the soul is for perfect freedom, and deep down we know that we are entitled to experience freedom and liberation. But are we looking for it in the right place?

Freedom and liberation is a frame of mind, in the sense that it is dictated by our own perceptions and attitudes. It is not dictated by worldly conditions. It is ours for the taking. We can get on with life, take things a step at a time, and do what we believe is best, but life doesn’t have to be a struggle. It can be a joy. It is a joy. We just need to wake up and smell the roses.

I believe that the ultimate nature of reality – at its deepest level - is Grace, Unconditional Love, and Joy. Naturally, such a reality will provide us all with a ‘way out’, in order for us to experience inner peace and joy - regardless of where we are on the path, and regardless of how imperfect or 'bad' we think we are.

For anyone who’s interested, there’s an enlightening book called ‘A Return to Love’ by Marianne Williamson. It describes a decent road toward truth and inner peace, which might suit some people. The author isn’t one of those romantic idealists, who promulgates ‘love and peace’ in a wishy washy idealistic way. On the contrary. She is a hardened realist, who ‘woke up’ after experiencing a nervous breakdown, caused by attempts to keep up with the world’s rat race. The book provides some glimpse into a larger Truth, in my view, and is one that I recommend for those who are seeking meaning and a bit more inner peace.

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on Mar 15, 2006
Hi KFC, thanx for your reply.

But I love people too much to leave them there


Don't worry hun, we'll be fine. I need to take a break from JU, to be honest, as I feel it's time for me to go, and I feel that I've had my fill to boot. I just wanted to take this opportunity to say bye, and thanks to everyone for having some hearty chats.

If I don't catch you again in this life, then I'll definitely see you in the next world. (I believe that whenever people have energy exchanges in this world, they'll recognise each other in Heaven.)

Take care, I'll catch you later,

Andy x
on Mar 15, 2006
How many strangers do you let into your home without knowing them?


But, isn't God all knowing? How can he not know you?

My basic question is this. Can a good person, who has obeyed the teachings of Jesus, but did not believe in him, be welcomed into heaven?

IG
on Mar 15, 2006
I think as humans we are geared to learn through experence, we must learn from mistakes in order to grow. Suffering is part of growing IMO.
on Mar 15, 2006
But, isn't God all knowing? How can he not know you?


good question!! Yes he knows us experientially but not relationally. He's the creator God for all living but not Father God for all living. When Jesus said "I do not know you." he was saying basically "where have you been up to now? You didn't love me; you loved yourself and the world too much and had no room for me".

My basic question is this. Can a good person, who has obeyed the teachings of Jesus, but did not believe in him, be welcomed into heaven?


First of all it's basically impossible for any of us to obey perfectly his teachings. We are weak human beings that cannot resist the temptations of the flesh to do so perfectly. And if we were trying to do so what would be our motivation? Why would we be trying to keep his teachings if we didn't believe in him?

Jesus said at one point "Why do you call me good? There is only one that is good and it's God." None of us are good. The bible says we have all have gone astray, none is good.

Besides how good is good enough? There is teaching out there that says as long as you're good...... I haven't figured that one out yet. How good do I have to be?
on Mar 15, 2006
I need to take a break from JU, to be honest, as I feel it's time for me to go, and I feel that I've had my fill to boot. I just wanted to take this opportunity to say bye, and thanks to everyone for having some hearty chats.


Say it isn't so Andy. I for one will miss you tons!!! I enjoy our chats.

think as humans we are geared to learn through experence, we must learn from mistakes in order to grow. Suffering is part of growing IMO.


Yes, I agree wholeheartedly here. Suffering is going thru the fire where we are refined and molded for the better even tho it hurts during the process.
on Mar 16, 2006
Why would we be trying to keep his teachings if we didn't believe in him?


Because Christ's teachings are not unique to Christ. Yes, the part about who he is of course, but his general layout of how a righteous man should live can be found in almost all religions in one form or another.

Besides how good is good enough


If God knows everything, he knows what we're up against.If the portrayalof him is correct as the Father, and we are as children, then I thing the "good" bar is set kind of low. Fathers understand that the child will screw up, but deep down, the child has a good heart.

Think "Babe". "That'll do pig."

IG
on Mar 16, 2006
If God knows everything, he knows what we're up against.If the portrayalof him is correct as the Father, and we are as children, then I thing the "good" bar is set kind of low. Fathers understand that the child will screw up, but deep down, the child has a good heart.


Agree with all but the last phrase. God said himself that the heart is desparately wicked, who can know it? All through the book of John we read that Christ would not commit to them because he knew their heart. As a reader and discerner of the heart only God knows what's in there.

We basically don't have a good heart. God says he will take our heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh. That's what the whole "born again" message is all about. Heart surgery basically. I've been through this. I recognize and realize the change in me.

God is an interior decorator.....he deals with the interior. The externals mean nothing. We can fool each other, but we can't fool God. It's the motivation that counts. Why do we do what we do?
on Mar 16, 2006
Yes he knows us experientially but not relationally. He's the creator God for all living but not Father God for all living


But you've said before that he knows what's in our hearts, loves us and hears our prayers, regardless of whether we're christian or not. So how can a god who doesn't know us relationall know everything there is to know about us, love us unconditionally and hear our prayers if he only knows us 'experimentally', as in he was the one who started the process? Doesn't the bible say that he knew us before we were born, whilst we were in our mother's wonbs? That, to me, implies that he KNOWS me, and not just in a petri dish way.

I think that you're trying to analyze things too much. I sometimes think that he's looking at all the christians running around like headless chickens, driving themselves with intricate, literal interpretations of the bible and he's shaking his said and saying 'no, you've got it all wrong! that's not what I meant at all!....'
on Mar 16, 2006
But you've said before that he knows what's in our hearts, loves us and hears our prayers, regardless of whether we're christian or not.


Yes, he does know what is in all hearts. That's how he judges us by what's in our hearts. But he does not hear the prayers of those that do not belong to him. If one is truly seeking God, yes he will hear and answer that. He says "all that seek me will find me."

But to pray to a God that one is not willing to follow, no he pays no attention to their cries. Here's an example of that:

"The Lord is far from the wicked: but he hears the prayer of the righteous." Proverbs 15:29


"The eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their cry. The face of the Lord is against them that do evil to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry and the Lord hears and delivers them out of all their troubles. The Lord is near to them that are of a broken heart and saves such as be of a contrite spirit." Ps 34:15-18.


When the blind man that had been cured by Jesus was interrogated by the Pharisess he answered them and said, "We know that God hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and does his will, him he hears." John 9:31

I could go on but I'll spare you...lol but scripture is clear God hears only those that are his and his eyes are always on them. Always.

I think that you're trying to analyze things too much


you got me here...lol. but it's never enough there's way too much here and I'm having loads of fun digging in. God says himself that the man that studies his word will be blessed and I can vouch for that. He shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water he says. His leaf will not wither and whatever he does shall prosper.

What's not to like here?
on Mar 17, 2006
Say it isn't so Andy. I for one will miss you tons!!! I enjoy our chats


Yes it's so. I think I’ve said enough, and I need a break from the PC too. I love JU and everyone on here, and I certainly won’t forget the people I’ve met here. You take care all, and all the best,

It's a good life, really
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