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A story of spiritual enlightenment in the West
Published on February 19, 2005 By AndyBaker In Philosophy
Once upon a time, between 500 and 1000 years ago, Buddhism was a twinkle in the Western-mind’s eye. Christianity had a firm hold on the West, and the Church was using fear tactics to capture the hearts and minds of the masses. Religious leaders proclaimed that their all-powerful God would punish non-believers in hellfire forever unless they believed their doctrine. At this time, Christianity was elitist, and held a monopoly on so-called Truth.

As humanity grew up, the old skool interpretation of Christianity began to lose its grip. Advances in science and technology revealed that humanity’s previous model of the world was unrealistic and narrow. It taught that the universe was far bigger and older than humanity had previously assumed, and that life had evolved naturally from simple beginnings over a vast period of time.

Eventually, the internet and the media was born, and people became more aware of the vast range of religious faiths and world cultures. An increasing number of folk began to doubt Christianity’s old skool message, which had previously fit the facts of an unenlightened scope. Whilst some people subsequently concluded that the Christian message was false, others clung onto the old skool teachings, concluding that without them, Christianity meant nothing. Some people, however, believed that the Christian Good News had simply been misinterpreted, and that there was now room for growth and a more mature interpretation, more aligned with humanity's heightened awareness.

In the meantime, underneath the chaotic torrent of human doubt and confusion, (i.e. humanity's teenage growing pains), the seeds of Buddhism were blooming. Calmly and somewhat modestly, Buddhist wisdom began to flourish and take hold in the West. Whilst upholding a message that there is cosmic purpose to life, and that the ultimate dimension of reality is Spirit, Buddhism brought a peaceful and realistic message to humanity, which offered a pragmatic path to wisdom and personal development.

As humanity matured into adulthood, an increasing number of people became enlightened, and the planet’s global consciousness heightened to such an extent that it finally recognised that all religions perceive exactly the same Divine Spirit, only from a different perspective and cultural context. Humanity learned that when religious insights from East and West were integrated, the full picture of Ultimate Reality could finally be disclosed. Further, when religious doctrines are aligned with the human heart, as well as the head, one can determine which doctrines represent an accurate ‘map’, and which don't. We learn that love is the answer, the litmus of religion.

How old is humanity at this present time?

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on Feb 19, 2005
To say that all religions are of the same God is to call that god a liar, since many vital things in some religions (i.e. acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior) are either omitted or contradicted in others.
So, sure, one could believe that all religions are of the same God, but then one would have to deny a whole lot of contradictions in the differing religions, or accept that God does not really mean what he says, which means that we shouldn't take Him seriously.
Sure, science is making it hard for people to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, but science is fallible man's fallible attempt to understand the universe with fallible senses and fallible equations. We shouldn't take it as gospel.
on Feb 19, 2005
Being a practicing Buddhist, I can tell you that I see a lot of similarities between Buddhist and Christian teachings. There is one huge difference though - we're non-theistic.
on Feb 19, 2005
Messybu, the religion that we feel inclined to follow primarily depends on where we are born. If you had been born else-where, you might now be claiming that all non-Muslims are liars, including Christians. There's a great common ground in all our religions, and the love-litmus test can dissolve many apparent contradictions. Where there are inconsistencies between Eastern and Western beliefs, Christians can interpret them from their own Christian perspective. (Incidentally, the Hindu philosophy of multiple gods is often misunderstood. Hinduism is not ‘polytheism’, which means belief in many Gods. Rather, Hinduism declares that there is only One Divine Being, which Hindus call Braham. The different gods are simply ways of assigning different attributes to the Divine.)
on Feb 19, 2005
Dharma, that's true. Buddhist philosophy is non-theistic, but Buddhist practice is agnostic in principle. My point is that when both Eastern and Western wisdom is merged, we can attain a more enlightened perspective of reality. I don't think that we should claim that any one religion has a monopoly on the Truth. That's what gave Christianity such a bad name. Christianity has been through it's learning curves, and Buddhism doesn't have to take the same route.

Consider the following words from Zen Buddhist Master, Thich Nhat Hanh: “Real dialogue makes us more open minded, tolerant and understanding. In a true dialogue, we allow the good, the beautiful and the meaningful in the other's tradition to transform us. ... When we have peace within, real dialogue with others is possible … The career of the practitioner is the career of enlightenment. Enlightenment here means ‘Touching the ultimate’.”

Hahn continues, “When we touch the ultimate dimension of reality, we get the deepest kind of relief. Each of us has the capacity to touch Nirvana. … Christian contemplation includes the practise of resting in God which I believe is the equivalent of touching Nirvana. …. The Kingdom of God is available here and now. The energy of the Holy Spirit is the energy that helps us touch the Kingdom of God. … I do not think there is that much difference between Christians and Buddhists. … A truly happy Christian is really a Buddhist. And vice-versa". (taken from his book, ‘Living Buddha, Living Christ’)


While a theist might say that God exists "up there and out there", a Buddhism might describe God exclusively as "the Ground of Being". According to Christianity revelation, both are true and neither is wrong.

What's more, Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God does not come visibly. No one will say 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17.21)
on Feb 19, 2005
I don't think that we should claim that any one religion has a monopoly on the Truth. That's what gave Christianity such a bad name


You're absolutely correct. One can be Buddhist-Christian, Buddhist-anything.....and yes, I had read the quote you gave. Like I said, I see so many paralells between the 2 faiths that I honestly believe that, despite the theism, the two could be one and the same sometimes.
I just wish that some Christians could see the same thing.
on Feb 19, 2005
It doesn't surprise me at all that the major religions of the world have so many common ideals. If God created a literal or figurative "Adam & Eve", then He would have taught them truth, and all religions that have evolved would eventually go back to that truth.

If god is just a creation of man, then whoever first thought up the idea would have taught basic principles, which would have evolved into all the religions of the past, present and future.

Whether we look to science or the divine for answers to our questions, the search seems universal among all races of humans. It makes sense that those who turn to the spiritual would come to many of the same conclusions. Even if the path leading to those conclusions differs so greatly.
on Feb 19, 2005
Messybu, the religion that we feel inclined to follow primarily depends on where we are born. If you had been born else-where, you might now be claiming that all non-Muslims are liars, including Christians.


Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that some vital aspects of Christianity contradict some aspects of Islam, Hinduism, Wicca, Scientology, etc., and vice versa, so if it's all from the same god, then the god must suffer from MPD.

There's a great common ground in all our religions, and the love-litmus test can dissolve many apparent contradictions. Where there are inconsistencies between Eastern and Western beliefs, Christians can interpret them from their own Christian perspective. (Incidentally, the Hindu philosophy of multiple gods is often misunderstood. Hinduism is not ‘polytheism’, which means belief in many Gods. Rather, Hinduism declares that there is only One Divine Being, which Hindus call Braham. The different gods are simply ways of assigning different attributes to the Divine.)


Yes, there's common ground, just like there is common ground between men and women, but there's also many differences, so we can't just say that men and women are the same.

I don't think that we should claim that any one religion has a monopoly on the Truth. That's what gave Christianity such a bad name.


Claiming to be right isn't wrong. Everybody believes that their beliefs are right, and therefore, somebody else's beliefs are wrong. If they don't, then do they really believe what they believe? How could somebody who's a theist believe that atheists are right too? Or solipsists?
on Feb 20, 2005
if it's all from the same god, then the god must suffer from MPD


It might be humans that have MPD, rather than God. God remains the same, regardless of what humans say or write about Him / Her. Holy Scriptures are our written foundation of religious belief, said to inspired by God and giving insights into God’s promises and plans. Yet the Scriptures themselves are written by the hand of man. We can therefore expect some misguided insights somewhere down the line.

What are your views on verses such as Exodus 32:27-29, Deuteronomy 21.18-21, Numbers 15.32-36, in contrast to verses like Luke 6.27 and 1 John 4.16? How do you think they can all be right?

science is fallible man's fallible attempt to understand the universe with fallible senses and fallible equations


Science is the enterprise which explores God’s Creation. There’s no need for contradictions. In the Bible, metaphorical statements and poetic imagery are often used to reflect deep, spiritual truths. Check out this blog which shows how evolution can enrich Christian faith https://www.joeuser.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=6&AID=64817 (I'm not blowing my own trumpet. I'm just showing that evolution can be Christianity's ally.)

How could somebody who's a theist believe that atheists are right too?


A lot of Buddhists say that they are atheistic. But the difference between Buddhism and atheism is that is that Buddhists believe that there is cosmic purpose to life, and that the ultimate dimension of reality is Spirit.

Atheists believe that there is no such purpose. So from a religious point of view, it could be said that atheists (of the non-spiritual kind), are “misguided”. An atheist would also say the same thing about a religionist, of course. But we’re all subjective beings, with freedom of choice and freedom of interpretation. Logic dictates that some people’s interpretation of ‘What Is So’ will be more aligned with the Truth than others. It’s all a question of faith, at the end of the day because ‘the Infinite’ transcends our finite minds. But strictly speaking, it’s more a question of spiritual growth and enlightenment.

Christianity claims that Christ is the only way to God, yet Christianity also proclaims that Christ is God. In my opinion, all religions embrace Christ, whether they recognise Him as Jesus or not, (this is the great “I AM” - to which the wisdom of the ages refers), only from a different perspective and cultural context.

Yes, there's common ground, just like there is common ground between men and women, but there's also many differences, so we can't just say that men and women are the same.


That’s what makes life so rich. There's many different forms of manifestation. It’s part of our journey on the road to enlightenment to decipher which of humanity's views are aligned with ‘What Is So’, and which views are misguided. We are all at different stages of growth in the spiritual life, so we can expect some contradictions and discrepancies in different people’s views. The key lies in finding inner peace with our own particular interpretation, and to keep an open mind and a willingness to grow.

I just wish that some Christians could see the same thing


Me too Dharma!
on Feb 20, 2005
Since Buddhism predates Christianity by about 600 years, wouldn't it be a better question to ask whether or not Christianity is a threat to Buddhism, or if Christianity might be a harmonious ally to the older philosophy/religion.

In my humble and much maligned opinion, though, all religion is a threat to rational thought. Although, in my studies, I have found Buddhism and Taoism to be the closest to logical and sane out of any of them.
on Feb 20, 2005
Since Buddhism predates Christianity by about 600 years, wouldn't it be a better question to ask whether or not Christianity is a threat to Buddhism, or if Christianity might be a harmonious ally to the older philosophy/religion


Good point Myrrander. History has shown that Buddhists are a lot calmer and more laid back than Christians, so I'm sure a Christian wouldn't "threaten" a Buddhist's point of view anyway, (as long as she's a mature Buddhist.) Can you imagine a Buddhist crusade which involved killing non-Buddhists in an attempt to get people to see their point of view. It doesn't add up, because Buddhist philosophy is all about inner-peace and harmony.

Yet this is exactly what the Christian crusades were about, all those centuries ago. The crusades were driven by fear and paranoia. However, it’s unfair to identify Christianity with those early tyrannical fundamentalists, because humanity has grown up a lot since then. I believe that Christianity will adapt a more wise and mature interpretation of traditional doctrine because of Christianity’s misspent youth, rather than in spite of it. We’ve been there and done it, and a lot of wisdom can be drawn from those early days.

Although, in my studies, I have found Buddhism and Taoism to be the closest to logical and sane out of any of them.


You’re right, but it depends on the interpretation. If you compare Buddhism and Taoism to a fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity, (i.e. a literal 7 day creation account etc.), then you’d conclude that the former is more sane. But there are more mature and wise interpretations of Christianity / Islam etc. arising in human thought today, which I believe will continue to mature.

I disagree that all religion is a threat to rational thought. I think it’s more a threat to the human ego, which presently assumes that humanity has got it all wrapped up. “God is dead”, thinks the ego. But remember that the ego is still a little child, and the human heart has yet to have its day. Only when we can distinguish the cleverness of the head from the wisdom of the heart - and combine them both - will our traditional religions have their day. Then the Heavens will rejoice.

We must not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we began, and to know the place for the first time.” - T.S. Eliot.
on Feb 20, 2005
I'm sure a Christian wouldn't "threaten" a Buddhist's point of view anyway, (as long as she's a mature Buddhist.)

I don't think that I've ever felt 'threatened' by Christianity as a whole. I've felt preached to a number of times, but not threatened per se.

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The crusades were driven by fear and paranoia. However, it’s unfair to identify Christianity with those early tyrannical fundamentalists, because humanity has grown up a lot since then.

I dunno about that.....I know quite a few Christians who live in fear of faiths they know little to nothing about. Instead of trying to understand what different faiths are all about, they just condemn them. Wiccans especially seem to fall to that mind-set...I'll never forget one experience I had in Borders, of all places. I was looking at Silver Ravelwolf's 'Book of Shadows' when a man and his son walked past me. The son came over to ask me what i was looking at (he was only 4 or so) and the man grabbed his arm and marched him off, talling him that I was a witch and bad and that he should stay away from people like me. I have friends who are non-christians and who have been invited to attend church services only to be told from the pulpit that they are the respresentation of evil and that the congregation should pray over them and help drive the demons from them. So yes, it does happen, and that's sad. I've stopped telling people that I'm Buddhist because I find that it tends to mar people's perceptions of me.
on Feb 20, 2005
I think it’s more a threat to the human ego


I disagree. I feel like religion is the ultimate attempt for humans to feel "special" or "chosen" by some otherwordly being, whereas a non-theistic thought process doesn't necessarily make the human into a god, it puts the human into his/her place within a larger system -- not special at all, just surviving.

Silver Ravelwolf's


I find her work to be a bit sugarcoated, what do you think?

For me, Buddhism sums itself up in one of the most popular mantras "Om Ah Hum" Om -- for the kaya (body), Ah -- for the vak (spoken word or speech) and Hum -- for the citta (spirit or mind). This is the truest "trinity" you might know, as we can know all three things both in the physical world and in the world of metaphysical and theoretical thought.
on Feb 20, 2005
find her work to be a bit sugarcoated, what do you think?


Me too. I was hoping to get to the nitty gritty of Wicca, and she didn't deliver.
on Feb 20, 2005
I dunno about that.....I know quite a few Christians who live in fear of faiths they know little to nothing about. Instead of trying to understand what different faiths are all about, they just condemn them


You’re right Dharma. We still haven’t got there quite yet, but I’m giving Christians the benefit of the doubt. I’m an optimist, and I’m projecting my thoughts into the future to be honest. I believe that as long as humanity survives the journey, we’ll learn that love is the answer. We’re still a long way off from that at the moment, and as long as we believe that only one view is right, there’s still room for growth. The number of tyrannical Christian fundamentals is diminishing in the modern world. But Christians today still get identified with them, which is sad. (Well, it depends on your point of view whether it’s sad or not.)

I've stopped telling people that I'm Buddhist because I find that it tends to mar people's perceptions of me.


Buddhism is cool. It’s true that some people become Buddhist for the wrong reasons – they see the likes of Madonna doing it, or Britney Spears, and think of it as a fashion statement. But as long as your heart’s in it, it’s a quality practice.

I think it’s more a threat to the human ego

I disagree. I feel like religion is the ultimate attempt for humans to feel "special" or "chosen" by some otherwordly being


Yes, I see what you mean. But religion can make people feel "special" because they learn that there is intrinsic, cosmic purpose to their life, as opposed to a finite kind of purpose, which one might impose on their limited life. There's a difference between believing that there is transcendent, intrinsic purpose to life, and believing that there is only finite, self-imposed purpose. (Both are valid in my view. It's all a question of faith, because it depends on your belief regarding the nature of 'the Infinite'.)

As to the threat to the human ego, I was talking prematurely again. Assuming that humanity’s spiritual awareness will continue to rise, (and I believe that it will due to the laws of growth), more people will return to traditional religious doctrines, yet this time with a more mature interpretation. This is when religion will become a threat to the human ego, speaking on a global scale. It’s speculation of course, but I’m just sharing my beliefs.

For me, Buddhism sums itself up in one of the most popular mantras "Om Ah Hum" Om -- for the kaya (body), Ah -- for the vak (spoken word or speech) and Hum -- for the citta (spirit or mind)


There you show that different practices suit different people. Buddhist practices suit some people to the ground. For others, they would prefer to talk to Jesus. It’s all a matter of personal taste and preference. Yet that’s the beauty of having so many views in the world. Wiccan is a good example, and allows people to get in touch with the Feminine. We’re not separate, ultimately, and I believe that all such views are in touch with the same Spirit.

Since Buddhism predates Christianity by about 600 years, wouldn't it be a better question to ask whether or not Christianity is a threat to Buddhism, or if Christianity might be a harmonious ally to the older philosophy/religion


Even though Buddhism began 600 years before Christianity, it's only just taking root in the West. Many Christians find this threatening. But I believe that Buddhism is Christianity's harmonious ally. Like Dharma said, it just needs more people to explore it and try to understand it.
on Feb 20, 2005
It might be humans that have MPD, rather than God. God remains the same, regardless of what humans say or write about Him / Her. Holy Scriptures are our written foundation of religious belief, said to inspired by God and giving insights into God’s promises and plans. Yet the Scriptures themselves are written by the hand of man. We can therefore expect some misguided insights somewhere down the line.


How do we know what's valid and what isn't?

Science is the enterprise which explores God’s Creation. There’s no need for contradictions. In the Bible, metaphorical statements and poetic imagery are often used to reflect deep, spiritual truths. Check out this blog which shows how evolution can enrich Christian faith  Link (I'm not blowing my own trumpet. I'm just showing that evolution can be Christianity's ally.)


It's pretty clear when the Bible is being literal, figurative, or poetic. If Genesis is figurative, then death, disease, and everything that supposedly came with sin has existed long before Adam did anything wrong.

It’s all a question of faith, at the end of the day because ‘the Infinite’ transcends our finite minds. But strictly speaking, it’s more a question of spiritual growth and enlightenment.


But see, the idea of an "Infinite" clashes with true atheist, and especially materialism. One can't be an atheist who believes there is no god and believe in a deity at the same time.

That’s what makes life so rich. There's many different forms of manifestation. It’s part of our journey on the road to enlightenment to decipher which of humanity's views are aligned with ‘What Is So’, and which views are misguided. We are all at different stages of growth in the spiritual life, so we can expect some contradictions and discrepancies in different people’s views. The key lies in finding inner peace with our own particular interpretation, and to keep an open mind and a willingness to grow.


So, some people are right, and some people are wrong. Who decides which views are right and which ones are misguided, and how is this different from Christians, who believe that their views are right and other views are misguided?

Me too Dharma!


Isn't this what gave Christians gave a bad name? Surely nobody here has a monopoly on truth, right? So this idea that all religions come from the same god is no more valid than the idea that Christianity is the one true belief or a strict materialist view of the universe.
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